Provincial agency has no role in KGHM Ajax, City of Kamloops discussions

Provincial agency has no role in KGHM Ajax, City of Kamloops discussions

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The B.C. Environmental Assessment Office says it has no role to play in negotiations between the City of Kamloops and KGHM Ajax.

The company behind the proposed Ajax copper and gold mine south of Aberdeen announced this week it is backing out of negotiations to strike a community benefit agreement, which would give the city revenue from the mine and include commitments to manage noise, dust and other effects from the project that could affect property values.

“Benefit agreements are not part of the environmental process,” Ajax project manager Clyde Gillespie wrote in a letter to city council.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Environment said that is true, in the sense that it’s up to the company to decide when and if it’s going to negotiate those agreements.

“Benefits agreements, should they be negotiated, are generally external to the environmental assessment and provincial decision-making process,” the spokesman said.

“They therefore form no part of the environmental-assessment certificate or associated conditions, should one be granted.”

The spokesman also noted potential benefits of a project aren’t required to be evaluated in an environmental assessment.

While KGHM isn’t required to negotiate with the city, the ministry said “parties may choose to enter into discussions at any stage in the environmental-assessment process, should they determine that it would be in their mutual interest.”

Gillespie told KTW in an earlier interview the company would create a community advisory board to make donations in Kamloops, rather than deal directly with the city.

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28 COMMENTS

  1. The composition of the current City council is the fault of the voters, these individuals all stated they were against or uncommitted to Ajax, the taxpayers have gotten what they wished for and it is not KGHM’s fault.

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      • The late Howard Zinn was an intellectual, a champion of civil rights, a good friend of Noam Chomsky, he was anti-war and spoke out about segregation. He was well loved by the great many people who followed him.

        His good name should not be used as an endorsement for your unfounded and hysterical disinformation.

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        • People like you vilified him. Fired him from his professorship. lied about him and now you use him to try and vilify me. Shameful of you since I use his name never to think that I can light a candle to his knowledge and certainly you cant light a candle to Les’s knowledge.

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  2. In Clyde Gillespies proposal, City revenues from the mine will still come into the City through a broad spectrum of community representatives sitting at the helm, and making the decisions as to where these KGHM contributions are going. In essence, no Mayor and councilors, involvement.

    KGHM is still talking “voluntary” charitable donations, for the community. The Ministry stated KGHM isn’t required to negotiate with the City, and they’re certainly not walking away – they’re simply choosing another format. This is not a requirement of the BC EAO process, but Clyde is committing to offer “charitable” community benefits to Kamloops, with an ulterior community benefit strategy.

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    • You forgot to put in Clydes linked in profile as part of your usual puff piece response. KGHM has been ordered by its masters to not get involved in a fixed income sharing operation. The mine at present is not even profitable. Long term copper prices are not forecast to be at a level to make any profit. The mine is not being built and they know it.

      The science as they are calling it has been dismembered by all comers. This will not be ignored in either the federal or provincial reviews. When this many holes are picked so easily an environmental approval cannot be granted. This turkey is cooked. You might want to wake up and smell the coffee Les.

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      • Yes Jim, I agree – KGHM is in financial difficulty, and Ajax got it’s orders from Poland.

        This low-grade ore is not economically viable without Gov’t subsidy. If production is started and market prices tank, Ajax can be expected to:
        – reduce mitigation measures to cut costs.
        – seek more Gov’t (taxpayer) subsidy.
        – shut down – this on/off cycle could extend negative impact(s) for long periods.

        All bad outcomes for Kamloops.

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      • Les is awake, he is aware of the global recession that is upon us and the vital need for primary industry to sustain a decent standard of living.

        Note to the KTW reader: As of the 19th of this month the gold price fix for the COMEX will be moving from London and New York to Shanghai. The COMEX does not deliver gold, Shanghai does, there are reports of the COMEX being leverage anywhere from 280 to 500 paper ounces to 1 physical ounce, similar to the fractional banking ponzi scheme. There has also very recently been the opening of a bullion exchange in Australia that delivers gold.

        The price of gold is going to arbitrated between the paper and physical prices and reconciled at a very steep increase, as well as with the silver price. China and Russia, the worlds largest bullion holders are joint venturing an equivalent to $30 Trillion project, that will be financed with gold backed BRICS currencies, to link Asia and Europe via high speed rail for trade and commerce. The US Petro Dollar will no longer be the world’s reserve currency, as a result nations will no longer be buying US debt and North America will be financially isolated. The demand on the world’s copper inventory will be increased significantly to supply the Asia – Europe project.

        If British Columbia does not develop its mineral resources there will be dire consequences.

        Alberta’s economy has collapsed, locally Northern Trailer is laying off, while this city wants to fiddle away at a PAC, Les Evens has “smelled the coffee” he knows the difference between a practical venture and fear mongering hysteria, an anti-Ajaxer could drink a gallon of coffee and never know the difference.

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        • Tin foil hats for both of you then. The drivel you are spouting reveals a deep lack of understanding about the world in general. Presumably when gold changes very little you will post a retraction?

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          • No Jim for the first time this man has posted something that is true. The third paragraph of Lodmell’s post is true. BRICS bank is already functioning in Shanghai capitalized at 100 billion and presidency is from India. Russia and China have cornered the gold supply and have attempted to rid the world of the petro dollar. The north African countries wanted to join and so did the Middle East Iraq, Syria and Iran and you know what happened to them. Alberta is paying the price for Harper’s going along with USA and EU to destabilize Russia (Ukraine) so the attack was also the oil price. Saudis went along with this so you know thee rest of the story. Putin as I said before is not Yeltsin

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        • Richard, thanx for the update! Just because you throw about a bunch of facts that you think make you sound smart, it doesn’t mean you do. We get it, you’re in mining. That’s great. The rest of us don’t need to read your drivel every time we read an article. Please stop

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          • Commentary from a miner about Ajax is inappropriate here?

            That was a rhetorical question, I do realize that what I write is over your head.

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        • During a recession, resources in general will be less of a commodity than carrots and beans…
          Alberta’s economy has collapsed…also because they never put aside money for “rainy days”…not a good example to follow…period!

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          • But Richard, you don’t actually mine anything lol. You have a few worthless claims near the Ajax site. Point to an actual working project where you are producing anything.

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          • I believe you believe it’s over everyone’s head. You’re mining and employment track record speaks for itself really. just because I breathe oxygen doesn’t mean I’m an expert on the periodic table.

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          • Sure, Filisetti – maybe Alberta would have some money left over if they weren’t paying the bills for half of the country and caving into to every union demanding an increase in pay!

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  3. What sucks is all this money AJAX spends on charitable organizations they can’t spend a penny on a Full-Scale Test-Blast! Something we really need! That would impress me, but I know, there is a good excuse from AJAX for denying such blast…

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      • At the end of the day there is only so much money to go around – even for KGHM.

        Maybe it would have been a better use of their money to do a full-scale test blast instead of donating $300k to the city for a review of their application so the tax payer wouldn’t have to foot the bill…or perhaps they could have pulled their millions of $$$ in charitable donations over the years. Would that have made you happy?

        But then, if by chance (small chance) the project isn’t approved, you would have a giant destabilized hole in the ground from your full scale test blast when a small scale sample blast and model do the job just fine.

        Do you guys ever think about the consequences of your hair brained ideas and comments or do you just slam the company regardless of any realistically defensible argument?

        Good thing these difficult and very technical decisions aren’t made by people with the last name McBalls.

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  4. LOl…Richard and Les….you two should be comedians. Can’t you see City Council, might just be finally getting it, that the People of Kamloops don’t want this Mine. The people of Kamloops are finally seeing through KGHM and the idiotic 18,000 pages of drivel and lack of Science? The last info from KGHM sounds “like a threat”, using money to try and leverage the City. Other miners, have come out against the Mine because of the proximity of it. That says volumes, against this Mine. Miners telling us that it is too close and the fallout of all the toxic elements of mining is enough to say “we don’t need this mine, as it is too close to the City” At least those Miners are telling us the truth. The City of Malartic is telling us the truth but …KGHM is not telling us the truth at all!

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      • lol. It’s evident all right……….. in the Kamloops This Week comment section, completely dominated by senior citizens in our community. Too bad they are not the only demographic contributing to the debate in this town. I can speculate just like you, concerning the definitive increase in the number of “I support AJAX” bumper stickers in Kamloops as of late, but that makes for a weak argument as yours. It looks like more and more people in the community are now choosing to voice their opinions concerning the AJAX mine site proposal, that can only be good for Kamloops.

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        • Most of the people I know who are most concerned about ajax are well under 40, myself included. Thanks for generalizing. I guess by that logic, mostly all ajax supporters are inbred, uneducated rednecks?

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  5. I’m not sure if my comment got stuck somewhere so am reposting:

    Mayor Milobar had some really interesting points regarding KGHM’s sudden about face. It’s very obvious the company is playing games and is completely dishonest, although to Milobar’s credit he is very tactful and professional in his wording and observations. Much of the negotiation had nothing to do with revenues to the city and this interview is well worth a listen – for those of us who are inclined to do our own thinking and not have KGHM do it for us: http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2686543443/

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